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why? September 10, 2009 at 10:58 pm

Why in gods name would you want to waste your money paying points as low as mortgage rates are right now? Give people better advice for crying out loud you crackpot!

Joey Marino September 11, 2009 at 6:41 am

Good points. Pun intended.

Joe Manausa September 11, 2009 at 6:16 am

Hey there “why?,” thanks for stopping by. Maybe you should have actually read the blog before you were so quick to impart your wisdom upon us. The answer lies within.

Mike Anderson January 7, 2010 at 5:31 pm

As a mortgage “guy” for the last 19 years, it’s great to see someone address the potential benefit of paying points for a lower rate. Many loan officers will advise against it because they’d rather see you take the higher rate which will improve the odds that they can call you sooner to refinance when rates drop lower (this is more true in a higher rate environment.)

The best analysis takes into consideration whether you’re paying the points out of pocket or including them in the loan (essentially using your home equity or seller paid closing costs to do it.) If you’re paying them out of pocket then you definitely should consider the time value of money factor and the “highest and best use” of your money. Do you have $3,000 on an 12% credit card that you could pay off instead?

Also, if you want to compare apples to apples, you should keep your cash flow, i.e., monthly payments, the same on each option and run an amortization table to compare the actual interest expense options you’re considering. On the option where you’re paying points, pay the same monthly payment amount as you would on the “no points” option. You’ll be paying extra toward principal and leveraging the value of the lower rate even more. This stratgy reduces the amount of time it takes you to “break even”. If you decide instead to take the payment savings and spend it elsewhere, just be sure to consider the opportunity value of that money too.

In the example you gave, assume it’s a refinance transaction and the homeowner was able to add the $3,000 discount to the loan amount. Also assume they took the $30.34 monthly savings (lower now since they financed the discount point and start at a higher loan amount) and paid extra toward principal to keep their payments the same ($851.68 per month.) Their break even point is now at 57 months and their 7 year net savings would be $2,474.82. 10 year savings: $3,785. Cash flow on the two options is exactly the same since they did not come out of pocket with any $ and their monthly payments are the same. This neutralizes the time value of money factor. Contrary to what the Why? dude said so rudely, in a historically low interest rate environment, paying points often makes MORE sense because the likelihood of having refinance opportunities again to even lower rates in the future to is very, very slim. If you’re going to the well, why not drink as deeply as you can and/or should depending on the likely length of your journey?

Case-by-case, clear analysis of all factors involved is required.

Joe Manausa, MBA January 7, 2010 at 5:37 pm

Great comment Mike. One point you made “Many loan officers will advise against it because they’d rather see you take the higher rate which will improve the odds that they can call you sooner to refinance when rates drop lower.” I had never considered …. thanks for the warning.

The other point I hope others get from your comment is that we most likely won’t have a future refinance time when rates are this low or lower. So “get” while the “getting” is good!

Thanks again for your insight.

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